10th August 2016

Girish Mudigere: Team……what are the advantages if we register our NMMO…..kindly be specific in listing points

Linnet D Silva: You have to have an administrative system to keep up. Like office and minimum staff etc.

As a movement I like this group. It keeps inspiring and motivating already existing systems and structure.

NMMO is in itself very beautiful. If any particular program has to be undertaken it can be done in collaboration with already existing organizations with existing members.

Girish Mudigere: Thank you Linnet….appreciate your response

Team….to make my question more clear………what are the advantages if we register an organization……..kindly be specific in listing points….if possible kindly respond.

We don’t want any tax benefits or give tax benefits to others through us

We are very very clear not to collect or distribute Money or Material through our ds.org

What are the disadvantages if any?

Dr Sandeep Nayak:

Advantages:

– Getting funds from any source

– 80G- 50% tax exemption for donors

– Officially can fundraise.

Disadvantage

– Adherence to specific bylaw.

– Yearly returns to state

– organized way of functioning which may include regular meetings, minutes of meetings.

– legal records building

– Maintenance cost (even though minimal)

Pradeep: Hi gm all,

If we register…  We can identify with the people and achieve more. And the government will help with improving the schools . Collect the funds for helping poor children with medical and non medical.  As dr sad 80 g 50 exemption . As per govermnet rules every year industrial wants to contubute for a ngo and trust  we can use out of it .

Girish Mudigere: Thank you Sir

Guru Poornima: Registration of any organization is very much necessary to avoid the fraudulence, and duplicacy of the organization

Girish Mudigere: Good input madam…..disadvantages….. If any kindly list

Guru Poornima: We will have to furnish,by law,committee, hierarchy etc and of course accounts details….

I personally do not find demerits,IN RIGHT SPIRIT for the organization with  transparency.

Girish Mudigere: Mostly registration may create a fear for others not to use same name or misuse registered name……Still few can do so……But we can fight legally……. Which is not our aim as it diverts our focus towards helping government schools….

Dr Sandeep Nayak: 👍🏽

Girish : Let’s be 100% transparent….let anyone copy NMMO and improve Government schools like us

Guru Poornima: Let them copy no issues but shouldn’t be misused and commercialise.

Girish: Let them do so…..they Will become an example of bad NGO

Guru Poornima: 😊

Girish : We continue our work

Krishnamurthy: Girish

Advantages

: we get formal  Authenticity

:  people easily recognize an organization that as an individual

: True in spirit and practice of non profit organization

: More formal & accountable

: It is not person dependent, more of process & objective oriented which I am sure can take a shape as people’s movement

Disadvantages:

* Legally to follow certain rules like reporting to government, accounting, Staff etc even though we don’t get involved with money is an additional burden

*

Kollegala Sharma: IMG-20160810-WA0002.jpg (file attached)

A serious national problem. Started to contribute my on this.

SC Nagesh TK: ಇದಕ್ಕೆ ಕಾರಣವೇನು? ಪರಿಹಾರ ಮಾರ್ಗವೇನು? ಸರ್

Kollegala Sharma: 1. Text books. Make it interesting.

  1. Promote reading text books. Correct grammar in note books. Avoid dictating notes
  2. Encourage writing and reading of other books.
  3. Make classroom more interesting so the students go back to text books to know more.
  4. Impress upon children the importance of writing and reading.

Hemanth Sharma: I have my opinion regarding this.  Nearly all gov. School struggle just for strength. Govt. Wash hand from by showing simple metrics, no assessment of the student learning.  I believe learning of student should be way of school grading and teachers promotion. If learning is not happening root cause analysis should happen and action taken for each and every class(Sunita: Mostly this should go up with inabilities of

GI RaviRaj: It is sorry to say that many of students in class 11 are unable to read Kannada fluently, eventhough they manage to read writing is full of spelling mistakes.

Girish Mudigere: Good discussions

Linnet D Silva: I agree totally with this. Inadequate teachers should be mercilessly showed way out. Children’s learning should be the goal.

GI RaviRaj: When they are not competent in their mother tongue it will be very difficult to acquire good command over a second language

Kalgudi Naveen: ಮೊದಲನೆಯದನ್ನು ಬಿಟ್ಟರೆ ಉಳಿದವೆಲ್ಲವೂ ದೀಪಹಚ್ಚ ತಂಡದ ಆಶಯಗಳೇ😀😀

GI RaviRaj: Totally agree with  Kollegala Sharma ,But libraries are merely for namesake in many government schools

Girish Mudigere: Attitude changes are needed to correct the system

Kollegala Sharma: We (SVYM) have started with a mobile library for hps and training for 8th std. Goal is to improve at least some 8th std students to be competent in language skills by the time they take 10 th exam.

We have full cooperation of teachers in 8 schools for this. Only eight is like looking at half empty glass. My wife used to start every academic year for 5th students (private school) with reading and writing exercises though she taught science. Identifying difficult words, reading difficult lessons in the class was a regular in her class.

SowBhagya Lakshmi:Posted Scholraship details for a specific Religion/caste of Girl students

Girish Mudigere: Madam Religion/Caste and caste du beda please

Kindly avoid Or don’t post ads which encourage caste religion politics Or gender

SowBhagya Lakshmi: Okay sir

Srinagesh: The idea mooted of Alumni is really good. Would like to cite an example. My colleague initiated a Discussion Class concept in Bhadravathi. Students who learnt here have scored top ranks in CET. No teachers. No fee. Past students and knowledgeable ones will DISCUSS topics in the session. They also help poor with funding. The founder & his wife had grand plans to extend it to other places but sadly both died in a car accident. Their students are carrying the legacy on. Alumni concept here has helped thousands of students.

Girish Mudigere: Srinagesh sir…..completely agreed…..lets aim at that…..first bringing back to their school

Yogish: There is no disadvantage in registering the NGO. There are few Advantages

  1. Some of the companies will allow only to registered company. For example if I want to add DS in my company listing page registration is must
  2. To get google or Facebook promotional advertising the DS has to be registered
  3. Some of the govt organization or volunteering work too required registration

Apart from that there is a tax advantage, but we don’t take any donation. Therefore it is not applicable for us. But we should make sure that donor ( who are helping govt school) gets some tax benefits while donating money and materials to school that we work/choose

Yogish: Otherwise donors or CSR will work with another NGO to take tax benefit

Hemanth Sharma: I am not sure… But I believe We will then need to decide upon directors board members etc… isn’t this create problem as then NGO will be for ‘few people’ (atleast it will look like) not good for organization that depend on volunteering

Girish Mudigere: Excellent point

V true…..let all of us be same

Yogish: We may miss many advantages that ngo’s get if we don’t register. I don’t think that we need to have hierarchical structure to register. We need to consult some experts

Mudigere: I consulted many…. They say it is necessary hierarchy

Hemanth Sharma: Then no issue… I believe We should register

Girish Mudigere: I consulted many NGOs…. They are struggling to survive or get volunteers…. Eg YFS EAST

Yogish: Let’s discuss with some experts. My vote is for registration

Girish Mudigere: We need to define directors etc etc

I am not comfortable with hierarchy

Hemanth Sharma: If it hierarchy is necessary then better we donot register and find an already register one for donation

we will still command power due to volunteering and dictate terms

Girish Mudigere: I asked many experts… They say just define and hide,transparency would be lost at first step

Yogish: 2 things we need to maintain even after registration:

  1. There should not be any maintenance overhead except yearly tax filing. Someone ( account expert) in our group should be ready to maintain the account and tax filing.
  2. Also we have to make sure that there is no hierarchy.

Girish Mudigere: If anyone donates from heart do not expect tax benefit

Other NGO s can help such donors

I agree…lets discuss……Do anyone aware of 100% transparent and 100% honest company?

Hemanth Sharma: No sir, not practical most of big donor need tax benefit it also ensure money is white, we won’t need black money. Do we?

Kalgudi Naveen: 👍👍🌸

Girish Mudigere: Lets keep away money.We dont have answer…….Do anyone aware of 100% transparent and 100% honest company? Lets be away from money

Hemanth Sharma: I am Sorry do you mean honest ngo

Girish Mudigere: Company i meant…not NGO….. As seen today’s give schools of last level……..NGOs could not fulfill all needs of government schools…..many many schools are pathetic

Krishnamurthy: Though we may have directors, president etc is only for decision making

We can also declare in the bye law that it is non profit organization and all its members are working with out benefit/ salary

We have done same in our Alumni Group of our School where Iam VP

Girish Mudigere: Many NGOs are active in jbn….but government schools are way away from non governmental school’s or international schools

So in short NGO s are not answers.We should do something different

But if you all decide to form NGO. from DS.org… Please do so……i will work from scratch as new NMMO.I personally do not need name or identity…… I will focus separately all new from scratch any day

Facebook response

“Good number of NGOs r there only on paper or make a living out of it. There are leaches as well masquerading as social workers group.”

Hemanth Sharma: Girish sir, Will talk abt this tomorrow f2f, it need to be discussed further we are missing message some where

Girish Mudigere: I am very certain that hierarchy as well money we should avoid……lets work hard for identity and win trust as well confidence at grass root level

Sulochana: Ga sir one NGo is their amar jyothi  hospital opposite name CHUMBAk one day they came to our school for support after they saw our school after they didn’t came u please contact them

Another NGO dream a dream  name Anju

Girish Mudigere: Contact numbers idya madam

Sulochana: Dream school foundation.www.dsfindia.org.E.and centers RT nagar yeshwanthpur Bangalore .program coordinator ANJU SUSAN PHILIp no +91………….

P mahaesh JDS(secular)president Bangalore city sevadal deputy corporator no9…………. and no9………..4.  And

Ramanna Chalgatta no9……..5  this man helped to our school children like note books now I demand 10 chairs for guest and projector for school  plz contact them thanku

Sulochana: Misses sharada prakash no9…….1 plz contact them her husband was IAS officer now he is no she is helping nature  .house near our school opposite road first cross  now she is giving amount for one temple in piriyapattan thanlu

Nagaraj Puttur: https://m.facebook.com/nammaakanksha/

Srinagesh: Anyone from Hosadurga in the group?

Girish Mudigere: Excellent Sulochana madam…i will personally take forward

Guru Poornima: Umesh babu Sir is there

Umesh Babu.vcf (file attached).If it is Ramnagar

Srinagesh: Hosadurga in Chitradurga district. Have Planns to visit. Government primary school there where I studied in. 6th standard.  1959-60. Only one year.

Guru Poornima: Oh, but this is Ramanagara hsadurga school which we had visited.

Girish Mudigere: Srinagesh sir following persons from Davanagere may give you contacts

Panchappa.vcf (file attached)

Karibasavaraju Davanagere.vcf (file attached)

Hanumanthappa.vcf (file attached)

Girish Mudigere: Same name Poornima mam….different districts.Sure we have to increase active members in each team,each location*

Guru Poornima: 👍

Srinagesh: Thank you

Kalgudi Naveen added  Nirvana Naveen

Kalgudi Naveen: ನವೀನ್ ಅವರಿಗೆ ಸ್ವಾಗತ!

Kalgudi Naveen: ಸರ್ ದಯವಿಟ್ಟು ನಿಮ್ಮ ಪರಿಚಯ ಮಾಡಿಕೊಳ್ಳಿ.

Girish Mudigere: 😊👍🙏

Nirvana Naveen: i am always with u for good works

SC Nagesh TK: 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👍🏻

Nirvana Naveen: Posted some request on Solar Lamps outside schools

Girish Mudigere: Nirvana Naveen Sir….welcome…..pleased to inform you this group is dedicated to improve Government Schools.We discuss only on above here sir.Kindly visit www.mangalorelink.com/school

Nirvana Naveen: OK sir

Girish Mudigere: 😊👍🙏

 

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