Group Discussions – May 30 2016

SowBhagya Lakshmi: Thank you sir, I have shared the medicine suggested by you with Rajeshwari madam (in d.ed.lecturers group-as she shared the message of need volunteer blood donor)

Girish Mudigere: We need to work closely with Government and society to improve government schools : Avoiding politics we .Need to work closely with politicians : Moved Mr Karthik to Info silence team as per request

Surendra Shetty: Dear friends & well wishers, after identifying such deserving D. Ed students, pl let me know the details with list. We make arrangements yo pay the full fees mentioned above

Chandrakant Acharya: ಶಾಲೆ ಪುನರಾರಂಭ!!! ಶುಭವಾಗಲಿ ಮಕ್ಕಳೆ!! ನಲಿ ನಲಿಯುತ ಕಲಿಯಿರಿ!!!
Lokesh Alambuda: ಹಾರಾಡಿ ಶಾಲಾ ಪ್ರಾರಂಭೋತ್ಸವ
Satish Kadashettihalli: School opening ceremony procession
5/30/16, 04:11 – MUST Kalgudi Naveen: ಕ್ಷಮಿಸಿ ಮೇಲಿನ ಸಂದೇಶ ಬೇರೆ ಗುಂಪಿಗೆ ಹೋಗಬೇಕಾಗಿತ್ತು.
Guru Poornima: ಓದಬೇಕೆಂಬ ಇಚ್ಛೆ ಒಂದೇ ಸಾಕು! ಈ ಹೆಣ್ಣುಮಗಳು SSLC ಯಲ್ಲಿ 95% ( ಇಲ್ಲಿ ಶೇಕಡವಾರು ಅಲ್ಲ , ಅವರ ಶ್ರದ್ಧೆ ಮುಖ್ಯ) ಎಷ್ಟೆಲ್ಲಾ ಅನೂಕೂಲ ಮಾಡಿಕೊಟ್ಟರು……. ತಮ್ಮ ಸೋಲಿಗೆ ನೂರೆಂಟು ನೆಪ ಹೇಳುವ ಜನಕ್ಕೆ ( ನನ್ನನ್ನು ಸೇರಿಕೊಂಡು) ಈ ಹೆಣ್ಣುಮಗಳು ಒಂದು ಆದರ್ಶವಾಗಿರಲಿ! We must help such students.

Chaya Chandra Acharya: Is it workable solution to start English medium school in government schools, is our teaching staff is equipped for it

Surendra Shetty: Really hats iff to this child. It is a greatest achievement: pl tell me what help needs to be extended. I am with u & get me the details

Chandrakant Acharya: ಇಂಗ್ಲಿಷ್, ಭಾಷೆಯಾಗಿ ಸರಿಯಾಗಿ ಕಲಿಸಿದರೆ, ಕಲಿತರೆ ಇಂಗ್ಲಿಷ್ ಮಾಧ್ಯಮದ ಅಗತ್ಯ ಇಲ್ಲ, ಇದು ನನ್ನ ವೈಯಕ್ತಿಕ ಅನಿಸಿಕೆ!!!

Kalgudi Naveen: Agreed

Chaya Chandra Acharya: But English is being taught as one subject in government schools already, but still why children have to leave, it is heartening to see 50000 children have left ,

Surendra Shetty: Take it granted, the days r not too far to start english medium in all govt school.If they really mind our teacher does wonders.

Chaya Chandra Acharya: I also agree with u sir : Please read heartening as disheartening

Kollegala Sharma: English as a language has to be taught, not as a subject to score marks : Starting English medium schools is fine. What will happen to present Kannada medium subject teachers. They will become incapacitated! : Most of our current staff are ill equipped to teach in English.

Guru Poornima: What are equipment s required to teach English or any subject for that matter? : How are the teachers ill equipped?

Chaya Chandra Acharya: I agree totally with sir, that is what I was also thinking, what is the use of starting English medium school, with same teacher, training them will not help

Kollegala Sharma: Ill equipped means ಸಮರ್ಥರಲ್ಲ. ಈ ಬಗೆಯ ಗೊಂದಲಗಳು ಇಂದಿನ ಬಹಳಷ್ಟು ಕನ್ನಡ ಮಾಧ್ಯಮದ ಗೆಳೆಯ/ಗೆಳತಿಯರಿಗೆ ಆಗುವುದನ್ನು ಕಂಡಿದ್ದೇನೆ. ಹೀಗಾದಾಗ ನಾವು ಹೇಳಿದ್ದೊಂದು, ಹೇಳಬೇಕಾಗಿದ್ದು ಮತ್ತೊಂದು ಆಗಬಹುದು. ಇಂದಿನ ಶಿಕ್ಷಕರಿಗೆ ಇಂಗ್ಲೀಷ್ ತರಬೇತಿ, ಕಲಿಕೆ ಇಲ್ಲದಿದ್ದರೆ ಅವರು ಉದಗಯೋಗ ಕಳೆದುಕೊಳ್ಳಬೇಕಾಗಬಹುದು. ಅಥವಾ ನಾವು ಮತ್ತೊಂದು ಅಸಮರ್ಪಕ ವ್ಯವಸ್ಥೆಯನ್ನು ಹುಟ್ಟು ಹಾಕಿದಂತಾಗಬಹುದು. (ಇಂಗ್ಲೀಷ್ ಮಾಧ್ಯಮದ ತರಗತಿಗಳಲ್ಲಿ ಅರೆಬರೆ ಇಂಗ್ಲೀಷ್ ನಲ್ಲಿ ಪಾಠ ಮಾಡುವ ವ್ಯವಸ್ಥೆ).

Guru Poornima: Sir how far can we rely upon the private English medium school teachers about teaching,with proper English : Trained and well qualified resources are very much required ,that is also one of the factors in the Article, irrespective of languages : Whether English or Kannada medium ….quality teaching and learning matters a lot ultimately.

Kalgudi Naveen: British council conducts English classes at various parts of India : If we can pursue them to share their material with Govt schools, may be at some price, would be great : Can anybody in UK in this group envisage this? : The pronounciation, accent everything would be in place.

Guru Poornima: But it should reach the layman right?

Chaya Chandra Acharya: Dr nagalotimath is in UK!! Sir, can you please help us here!!

Milind M Raichur: Sir sorry for below question: When a Tamilian can speak English in Tamil proudly: When a Malayali can speak English in Malayalam proudly: When a Hyaderabadi can speak English in Telugu: Proudly: When a Guju can speak English in Gujrati proudly: Why our Kannadigas are feeling so much guilty to speak English in Kannada …. ?

Kalgudi Naveen: I have issues with the materials of SPOKEN ENGLISH schools that have mashroomed all around.

Guru Poornima: Kannadigas are far better than them

Chaya Chandra Acharya: Milind sir, its not speaking English in kannada but learning both proficiently

Kalgudi Naveen: council has various levels of classes and one does cater to layman
Milind M Raichur: Sir if I am not wrong this fad of English itself is diminishing the progress of Govt. Schools

Chaya Chandra Acharya: I would love a teacher to teach kannada thoroughly than teach English in hotch potch way : No sir its not fad but reality of not getting quality education imparted

Milind M Raichur: Madam / Sir I’ve seen Kannada medium students speaking English more proficiently with successful lives compared to English medium or convent school students …sorry…….. no offense this is our teams point of view as we are into HR & RECRUITMENT

Guru Poornima: Absolute truth @ milind

HM Sunitha: Yes i agree with Milind sir : I never felt language as a barrier

Kalgudi Naveen: I second you, Milind sir.

Guru Poornima: Excellent milind sir : Language is not at all a barrier in any field… Only the efficiency matters

HM Sunitha: Even to understand english one should know kannada

Guru Poornima: Commonsense

HM Sunitha: So knowledge always have value than language in learning

Milind M Raichur: Madam sorry I can’t agree to you English language only cannot measure the quality of education …as I recollect & if not wrong the quality & language both go together but will not influence each other. If I am not wrong quality of education is measured on subject communicated to students in the language they understand fast & getting the best results from their knowledge grasped

Sunitha: Yes you are correct : I told in context of english as a medium
: We can achieve better even in kannada

Guru Poornima: Milind sir u must have gone thru the article, there are are much more factors and drawbacks not only the language

Kollegala Sharma: Naveen. My point is missed here. Resources can always be arranged. But our teachers have to relearn a language. Otherwise, teaching can be a torture for both teachers and the taught with very wrong communication. A great deal of relearning is necessary.

Easier would be to teach English as language to students in an effective way and teach subjects in understandable Kannada up to may be 7th and then shift to English. Simple English medium I mean.

Chandrakant Acharya: If you read Chayas comment, it was about English as a subject and not as a medium!!! You may agree or disagree, but if teachers don’t impart quality education, it includes languages too, we will languish!!!
Milind M Raichur: I be seen more convent students with half knowledge & perfectionist Kannada students …I think medium or language is not important ….important quality for a teacher is to make the subject understand & provide absolute knowledge to his pupils….sorry no offense again …its my point of view

Chandrakant Acharya: No offense taken, you are rephrasing what’s said!!! Quality is a must for results!!! : BTW, I studied in a Kannada medium govt school up to 7th : And I wish I should have continued high school too!! I have missed a lot of middle, old kannada treasures!!! : To compensate, now I am trying out at 50+….

Milind M Raichur: Yes chandrakant sir very true but I would request all our dear Kannada medium teachers not to take tension upon teaching in English bcoz if I am not wrong they already are pretty much in control of English language compared to other states…and we bet on this as our training team is working on task of spoken English & personality development to many teacher’s irrespective of which medium school they teach

HM Sunitha: We have some 10 to 15 friends all studied in Kannada government schools n to day all are doctors professors engineers n other good places

Milind M Raichur: Chandrakant sir even me from 5th I joined English medium school missing lot treasures like you.

Chandrakant Acharya: I second you Milind!!! Lets put some confidence and self-esteem back in our govt school teachers. I’m sure they’ll do wonders!!! : Not that many need!! Lets help out where needed

Geetha: But when we entered to college only English,medium since it is science,in the begining little difficult,but later ,we scored more than full English medium students : As my knowledge, some concepts they could not understand and cannot compare or apply that knowledge in lower level,I mean in primary level,when they entered to high school,little matured,and can able to understand English as “English”, I studied Kannada medium,up to tenth in rural area in Dakshina Kannada district : I am not blaming English medium,but lower level,correct basic should be given,and avoid rote memory, I mean ” ಬಾಯಿಪಾಠ”. : My opinion is there should be a connection between child’s mother tongue and English…

Guru Poornima: We are looking for compost for tree plantation drive. If any of your community can donate compost, please drop me a note : For our June 4th event, kindly help us in this regard

Milind M Raichur: Very true Geeta madam …sorry for the break on work call : And we are into the process of supporting our beloved Teachers if anyone needs any help feel free to contact us

Guru Poornima: In the context of our previous discussion, few aspects came to my thought stream. The Govt shd moot an idea of pulling corporates by making them to adapt Govt schools for quality education so that students don’t go out. Corporates shd get some tax rebate based on the annual results of their adapted school. Some legislation to be thought in this direction for a win win situation for Govt schools & corporate.

Kollegala Sharma: ನಾನು ಎಂಟನೆಯ ತರಗತಿಯವರೆಗೆ ಕನ್ನಡ ಮಾಧ್ಯಮದಲ್ಲಿಯೇ ಓದಿದ್ದು. ಅನಂತರ ಇಂಗ್ಲೀಷಿಗೆ ಬದಲಿಸಿದರೂ ತೊಂದರೆಯಾಗಲಿಲ್ಲ. ಕನ್ನಡದಲ್ಲೇ ಬರೆದವನಿಗೆ ಇಂಗ್ಲೀಷ್ ಪತ್ರಿಕೆಯನ್ನು ಸಂಪಾದಿಸುವ ಜವಾಬ್ದಾರಿ ಸಿಕ್ಕಿತು. ಈಗಲೂ ಕನ್ನಡದಲ್ಲೂ, (ಹೆಚ್ಚಿಗೆ, ಏಕೆಂದರೆ ಇದು ನಮ್ಮ ಭಾಷೆಗೆ ಅಗತ್ಯವಿದೆ) ಇಂಗ್ಲೀಷಿನಲ್ಲೂ ಬರೆಯುತ್ತೇನೆ. ಮಾಧ್ಯಮದ ಭಾಷೆಯಲ್ಲ, ಆಯಾ ಭಾಷೆಯಲ್ಲಿ ನಾವು ಹೇಗೆ ತಿಳಿಯುವಂತೆ ಸಂವಹಿಸುತ್ತೇವೆ ಎನ್ನುವುದು ಮುಖ್ಯ. ಸದ್ಯಕ್ಕೆ ಕನ್ನಡದಲ್ಲೇ ಕಲಿಸುತ್ತಿರುವವರಿಗೆ ಇಂಗ್ಲೀಷ್ ಮಾಧ್ಯಮದಲ್ಲಿ ಅಷ್ಟೇ ಸಮರ್ಪಕವಾಗಿ ಸಂವಹಿಸುವ ಸಾಮರ್ಥ್ಯವಿದೆಯೇ? ಇದು ಪ್ರಶ್ನೆ. ಇದ್ದರೆ ಬದಲಾವಣೆ ಸುಗಮ. ಇಲ್ಲದಿದ್ದರೆ ಆ ಸಾಮರ್ಥ್ಯವನ್ನು ಕೊಡುವ ಕೆಲಸ ಆಗದೆ ಮಾಧ್ಯಮವನ್ನು ಬದಲಿಸಿದರೆ ತೊಂದರೆಯಾಗುತ್ತದೆ ಎಂದೆ.

Geetha: ಮೀಡಿಯಂ ಬದಲಾವಣೆ ತೊಂದರೆಯಲ್ಲ,ಕಲಿತಿರುವ ವಿಷಯ ಎಷ್ಟರ ಮಟ್ಟಿಗೆ ನಮ್ಮ ದೈನಂದಿನ ವಿಚಾರಗಳಿಗೆ connect ಆಗುತ್ತಿರುತ್ತದೆ ಎನ್ನುವುದು,ಉದಾಹರಣೆಗೆ,ನಾವು ಕೆಲವೊಂದು ಪೆಇಕಲ್ಪನೆಗಳನ್ನು sslcವರೆಗೆ ಒಂದು ಹಂತದವರೆಗೆ ಪರೀಕ್ಷಾ ದೃಷ್ಟಿಯಿಂದ ಅರಿತಿರುತ್ತೇವೆ,ಆದರೆ PUC ಇಂದಾಚೆಗೆ ಅದನ್ನು ಅಭ್ಯಸಿಸುವ ವಿಧಾನಬೇರೆ,ಬರೆಯುವ ವಿಧಾನವೆ ಬೇರೆ,ಇದು ನನಗೆ ಅನಿಸಿದ್ದು,ಮತ್ತು ನನ್ನ ಮಗನ ಅಭ್ಯಾಸ ವಿಧಾನ ಗಮನಿಸಿದ್ದರಿಂದ ಅನಿಸಿದ್ದು,ಆದರೆ ಹಲವು ಬಾರಿ ಮಕ್ಕಳಿಗೆ ಎಲ್ಲ ವಿಷಯಗಳಲ್ಲಿ ಆರೀತಿಯಾಗಿ ಸ್ವಂತ ವಾಗಿ analyse ಮಾಡಲು ಬಿಡಲು ಎಲ್ಲ ಸಂದರ್ಭಗಳಲ್ಲಿ ಆಗುವುದಿಲ್ಲ,but ಆಗಬೇಕು,,but how,ಅದೆ ಸಮಸ್ಯೆ ನಾವು ಎದುರಿಸುತ್ತಿರುವ ಇದು,ಅಲ್ಲಿ ರಿಸಲ್ಟ್ ,ಸಿಲಬಸ್ ಇತ್ಯಾದಿ ಅಡ್ಡ ಬರುತ್ತದೆ,ಎಷ್ಟೆ ಬಾರಿ ಅವಲೋಕನ ಮಾಡಿದಾಗ ಸಮಸ್ಯೆ ಪೂರ್ತಿ ಪರಿಹಾರ ಆಗ್ತ ಇಲ್ಲ

Kollegala Sharma: @Geeta. ಖಂಡಿತ ಔಟ್ ಆಫ್ ಟಾಪಿಕ್ ಅಲ್ಲ. Svym ನಲ್ಲಿ ಪಿಯುಸಿ ವಿದ್ಯಾರ್ಥಿಗಳ ಸಮಸ್ಯೆಯನ್ನು ನಾವು ಸ್ವಲ್ಪ ಮಟ್ಟಿಗೆ ಅಧ್ಯಯನ ಮಾಡಿದ್ದುಂಟು. ಅದರ ಕೆಲವು ಕಲಿಕೆ:
1. ಪಾಠ ಕಲಿಯುವ ಹಾಗೂ ವಿಷಯಗಳನ್ನು ಪ್ರತಿಪಾದಿಸುವ ರೀತಿಯಲ್ಲಿ ಬಹಳ ಬದಲಾವಣೆಯಾಗುತ್ತದೆ. ಇದೊಂದು ದೊಡ್ಡ ಅಡಚಣೆ.
2. ವಿಜ್ಞಾನ ವಿಷಯಗಳು ಇಂಗ್ಕೀಷಿನಲ್ಲಿ ಕಲಿಯುವುದರಿಂದ ತೊಡಕುಗಳಿವೆ. ಮಕ್ಕಳು ಇಂಗ್ಲೀಷನ್ನು ಓದಿ ಅರ್ಥೈಸುವ ಸಾಮರ್ಥ್ಯ (ಭಾಷೆ ಕಲಿಸಬೇಕು ಅಂದಿದ್ದು ಇದಕ್ಕೇ) ವನ್ನು ಇದ್ದಕ್ಕಿದ್ದ ಹಾಗೆ ಬೆಳೆಸಿಕೊಳ್ಳಬೇಕಾಗುತ್ತದೆ. ಇದು ಕಷ್ಟ.

Narasimha Babu: ಬಿ, ಸಿ, ಡಿ ಮತ್ತು ಇ ಗ್ರೇಡ್ ನಗರ ಮತ್ತು ಪಟ್ಟಣಗಳ ಬಹುತೇಕ ಶಾಲೆಗಳಲ್ಲಿ ಕಲಿಸುತ್ತಿರುವ ಬಹುತೇಕ ಶಿಕ್ಷಕರು ಇಂಗ್ಲಿಷ್ ಮಾಧ್ಯಮದಲ್ಲಿ ಬೋಧಿಸಲು ತಾಂತ್ರಿಕವಾಗಿ ಅರ್ಹರಲ್ಲ. ಆದಾಗ್ಯೂ ತಮ್ಮೆಲ್ಲ ಪ್ರಯತ್ನವನ್ನು ಕಲಿಸುವ ಕಡೆಗೆ ಕೇಂದ್ರೀಕರಿಸಿ ಯಶಸ್ವಿಯಾಗುತ್ತಿರುವುದನ್ನು ಕಾಣಬಹುದು.

ಕೆನೆಪದರದ ಬುದ್ಧಿವಂತರೆಲ್ಲ ಸರ್ಕಾರದ ಆಶ್ರಯದಲ್ಲಿದ್ದು ಸೇವಾಭದ್ರತೆ ಹೊಂದಿರುವ ಶಿಕ್ಷಕರಾಗಿದ್ದರೂ ಸಹ ಅವರ ಸಾಮರ್ಥ್ಯ ವ್ಯರ್ಥವಾಗುತ್ತಿರುವ ದುರಂತದ ಸ್ಪಷ್ಟ ದರ್ಶನಕ್ಕಾಗಿ ಮುಚ್ಚುತ್ತಿರುವ ಸರ್ಕಾರಿ ಶಾಲೆಗಳನ್ನು ನೋಡಿ.

ವ್ಯವಸ್ಥೆ ಎಂಬ ಅವ್ಯವಸ್ಥೆ ಬಗ್ಗೆ ಮುಗಿಯದಷ್ಟು ಆರೋಪಗಳಿವೆ.

ಆದರೂ… ಕಿರಿಯ ಪ್ರಾಥಮಿಕ ಹಂತದವರೆಗೆ ಇಂಗ್ಲಿಷ್ ಬೋಧಿಸಲು (ಭಾಷೆಯಾಗಿ/ಮಾಧ್ಯಮವಾಗಿ) ಅಲ್ಪ ತರಬೇತಿ, ಅತ್ಯಂತ ಮುಖ್ಯವಾಗಿ ಹಿಡಿಯಷ್ಟು ಆಸಕ್ತಿ ಸಾಕು.

Girish Mudigere: Excellent schools reopen events……lets move forward

Linnet D Silva: Today in our neighborhood school along with locals and teachers held a meeting. Planned to start afresh on 1st. Planned to have saraswati Pooja and writing akshara on rice for 1st standard children. Some agreed to bring candies for children.
Science teacher agreed to start science lab. Any science lab resources available any where are welcome. Sriramnagar school Dharwad : We are celebrating saplings planting after good rainfall.

Surendra Shetty: mr. Girishji, our personal discussion over ph didnot materialised yet & I am looking fwd pl : If it is ok now, pl give me a miscall or send sss

Girish Mudigere: It was excellent talking to Surendra Shetty sir. We have a plan to improve Government Anganavadis and primary schools now…….we will bring to action ……thank you sir for you and CSR team and Your company

Guru Poornima: This survey is to know the readiness of students passing out of Engineering and similar graduation courses to be part of initiatives to support Rural school for a tenure as 3 , 6, 9 or 12 months. I’ve invited you to fill out the form Initiative to Support Rural Schools. To fill it out, visit:
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1cxXIWgGb2G4V4z-NZu5PEdDmXX5hivbOBKbz_0aZbO8/viewform?c=0&w=1&usp=mail_form_link

Nagesh TK: School reopen : Our children need notebooks, is anybody want to help us?

Siddappa Malavalli added Mallesh GN

Girish Mudigere: Namasthe sir: Mallesh sir…..nimma brief introduction kodi sir…….thanks Siddappa sir : Especially your ideas to improve Government schools

Mallesh GN: I have been working as a teacher since 2004 ,presently working in govt.higher primary school, Kandegala, malavalli taluk, mandya district, my native is Gattikoppal village ,malavalli tq
sir plz tell me ur ambition

Girish Mudigere: Welcome Mallesh Sir…..lets improve Anganavadis and Government Schools sir

Siddappa Malavalli: Welcome Mallesh sir please share your valuable thoughts to achieve our goal…..

Mallesh GN: Sure sir,am one of the aspirant to improve our govt. Schools,
Thank u sir ,plz share any program u have planned regarding this? : Before that ,can I know ur brief introduction?

Girish Mudigere: To bring interested people we have planned tree planting on June 4 at Uttarahalli and Ramanagara…..this is done in Schools followed by lecture to save saplings after planting

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